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Postby bubleheart » May 28th, 2014, 11:40 am

Thoughts on our first 25 man?

I know Kris kept mentioning it and I agree, we do need to move a little quicker with less AFK. I know I was not helping with that but I was trying to manage stuff at my place last night while raiding.

Are there any people we were supposed to be keeping an eye on for potential people or just w/e?

Also I have never felt more useless on the majority of fights in a LOOOONG time :(
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Re: 25 man!

Postby Casa » May 28th, 2014, 11:47 am

Annoying that one person AFKing before each boss slows us down so much, I think scheduling a break halfway through would help.

Zorrik - very disappointing
Foops - only somewhat disappointing
Blastvalve - about as disappointing as expected
Vicate - about as disappointing as expected

We need 2 people for tonight. Probably Foops and Zorrik. Or maybe Foops and Xaide's friend he's so upset about.
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Re: 25 man!

Postby Casa » May 28th, 2014, 11:52 am

If someone is on b.net or steam can you ask rasbar if he cleared last night aka is free tonight?

Edit: Nevermind, found their wcl, he's free.
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Re: 25 man!

Postby bubleheart » May 28th, 2014, 3:59 pm

For tonight, we should use very safe, very little yolo strats to try and clear tonight. Might not happen, but I BELIEVE!
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Re: 25 man!

Postby Casa » May 28th, 2014, 4:24 pm

We pretty much used safe no yolo strats yesterday, just misjudged a few things:

Protectors: Danger of 1 tanking is to the raid, not the tank
Sha: Needed more healers? Or was this not the real problem, just a bandaid fix?
Spoils: Sparks are a big issue, opening 2 bigs is preferred
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Re: 25 man!

Postby bubleheart » May 28th, 2014, 5:00 pm

Yea, I guess.

Protectors: Will be fine next week.
Sha: We wiped to no CDs and no one dispelling, will be fine next week
Spoils: Sparks......I just don't even......It was never an issue of will this die, but why do we keep dying to this when it should already be dead - "Should" be fine next week

Thok - put me ranged
Blackfuse - Could be interesting
Paragons - Same as above
Garrosh - Least we have a lot of raid CDs
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Re: 25 man!

Postby Casa » May 28th, 2014, 11:38 pm

Re-progression :(

Hell of a lot easier than the first time, even with our carriers, but a bit annoying. I think we need to better define what we're doing at a few points. Will post more when I'm less exhausted.
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Re: 25 man!

Postby bubleheart » May 29th, 2014, 8:00 am

Immerseus - No change #handled
Protectors - Do not 1 tank
Norushen - don't have everyone be like LOL IMA GO DOWN FIRST >:(, also orbs.....fucking orbs
Sha - CD Swelling Pride, Dispell because it doesn't matter
Galakras - No change #handled
Iron Juggernaut - No change #handled (I am pretty sure this went fine)
Shamans - people need to watch where they fuck they are standing and melee.....it's like a broken record
Nazgrim - kill adds and don't push during defensive stance! No ravagers or warsongs please!
Malkorok - No change #handled
Spoils - Sparks. Fucking kill sparks
Thok - almost forgot about this guy, uh 7 heal this and dispell in 2nd kite phase and if we do go to fire just stack up right away and push
Blackfuse - Watch feet, call movement out more but mostly #handled (went fairly well I think)
Paragons - See shamans. Bad stuff can kill you. I think lusting on Hisek is a good plan. Will that make your I rape people ability up for the next guy Casa?
Garrosh - Have an actual strat. We had 1.5 hours to do what we think would work on 25 man and almost have it.
Things to change: 1) Do heart phase 2. This isn't 10 man and the damage we need to do is significant otherwise we are going to be dealing with 3-4 empowered whirlings WITH desecrates that cannot be removed. 2) kite adds in p3 3) do more damages to boss in p3, would like only 1 whirling there 4) malice 3-4 need to be handled better. If we make it past iron star spawn 2 and regroup on the otherside I think we will win. Just saying Casa you may have to bring iron star #2 in as with 2-3 people dead it was at around 20% when we moved over there so figure a perfect attempt maybe 15%.....I think we will need it. Then just handled malice and maybe spawn star 3 just in case and win.
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Re: 25 man!

Postby Casa » May 29th, 2014, 9:16 am

Will that make your I rape people ability up for the next guy Casa?

On 25man it's much less significant, something like 25% of our raid's DPS instead of 70%. I use it on Korven after the amber, then just hit it on CD.

Garrosh: Agreed on do heart phase. I'll assign more specific people for malice stuff, and plan on doing 2 iron stars. Not spawning star 3, we wouldn't even be using it until we could spawn the 4th, it just doesn't line up well.
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Re: 25 man!

Postby bubleheart » May 29th, 2014, 9:25 am

I know, the 3rd star was just in case a bad malice happens with 5 or 6 (which is a possibility), but we should have it low enough where it should be: iron star #2, move for bombardment, and kill the boss before we die.
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Re: 25 man!

Postby Kris » May 29th, 2014, 11:09 am

have to remember we're carrying about 5 DPS, which is why were a bit behind our 10man numbers. YAY 25s!
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Re: 25 man!

Postby Casa » May 29th, 2014, 11:19 am

I don't like raiding with this many people, can we quit?
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Re: 25 man!

Postby bubleheart » May 29th, 2014, 11:33 am

Kris wrote:have to remember we're carrying about 5 DPS, which is why were a bit behind our 10man numbers. YAY 25s!


Yea, which is why we gotta compensate. I'm sure if we had 25 people that could pull what our main 20 could most of our damage issues would not exist. (Thok/Garrosh)

It's why I say each week if we can get a better replacement for the "filler people" we should. The DK app is prob way better than Zillik or w/e his name is who dies to EVERYTHING.

Also since its week 1 25 man, I can't complain too much but as a whole we need to get better on awareness again. Too many people dying (myself included) to easily avoidable stuff. I would rather not have 1.5 hour of Paragons every week. Plus I think how we are having to compensate now for DPS gives a little bit of that progression sense in that we still have to deal with mechanics which is giving a decent indication of how well people deal with said mechanics.
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Re: 25 man!

Postby Casa » May 29th, 2014, 11:40 am

Zorrik is shit, Foops okay. His damage is lower than it should be but by far the best of our fill-ins, and he doesn't die. Vicate will be good when his gear gets better, but now with a full week of valor per upgade it's going to take a loooong time to really catch up. Blastvalve hard to tell. Basically drop Zorrik and replace him with _______
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Re: 25 man!

Postby bubleheart » May 29th, 2014, 11:43 am

Anyone. New DK app or any potential person we think we can nab (if they are good and we have room) that is geared and a friend of a raider.
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Re: 25 man!

Postby bubleheart » May 29th, 2014, 3:20 pm

Also, how much more damage would we gain if we literally NEVER moved in p2. The whirlings tickle and I am reasonably confident we can AoE down the desecrates quick enough where they will not matter. Obviously it would not be 10% to push p3 with our current setup (maybe later), but will it be a decent amount to try it that way? I am mainly thinking about how much more room we could get for when we have emp whirlings and desecrate. If it is not worth it, that is fine, just asking really what you think.
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Re: 25 man!

Postby Casa » May 29th, 2014, 4:06 pm

Maybe 2%? Our only movement now is out of desecrates.
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Re: 25 man!

Postby bubleheart » May 29th, 2014, 4:31 pm

Would it help give us more room for later phases or still not worth it?
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Re: 25 man!

Postby Casa » May 29th, 2014, 6:10 pm

I don't think it's worth it. When we do the heart phase we'll come out of it at 20%, maybe get one empowered whirling, then push. Don't need too much space.
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Re: 25 man!

Postby Casa » May 29th, 2014, 8:22 pm

Also should probably master loot garrosh, pugs, mounts, etc.
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